tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post7281973884364348207..comments2008-06-20T00:00:45.514-07:00The Realistnoreply@blogger.comBlogger130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-67379539777178761492008-06-20T00:00:00.000-07:002008-06-20T00:00:00.000-07:00

Good point 9:11. There are some constraints in how the council or commission deals with public testimony. If it's during the Public Comment at the beginning - things not on the agenda - then the rep is restricted from entering into a dialogue with the member of the public. We can ask staff to investigate and get back to the citizen or the commission/council, but we can't take it up and discuss/

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-79187804762688139672008-06-19T21:11:00.000-07:002008-06-19T21:11:00.000-07:00

Martie, I think the other problem with the meetings is you have to go for hours to get your 3 minutes in. No dialog, no response, nearly like the School board. If there were a way to make the talks interactive or make the reps each respond to commenters, maybe some would show up. Otherwise it is a waste of time.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-90085318749070890062008-06-19T17:57:00.000-07:002008-06-19T17:57:00.000-07:00

Ok 5:04 - I like the language so I tend to use a lot of it - it's just a matter of style. I guess it comes from reading a lot.<BR/>To simplify- you need to get the agendas either from the city website or by having the city manager's secretary Ana send them to you via email. Go to the website "city of woodland", punch up the department (Planning or Council) and enter agendas into the search engine

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-64937358864268079752008-06-19T17:32:00.000-07:002008-06-19T17:32:00.000-07:00

Anon 5:04<BR/>I am not sure if you are reading the same posts from Martie that I am reading. Maybe you don't have the attention span to get through her posts...but in her last post she very clearly stated her position on the "160 acre" greenfield, Let me requote it:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Regarding that issue, I've said before I'll look at any project if we can clear the substantial hurdles associated

Chris Holthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-45312279713594952122008-06-19T17:04:00.000-07:002008-06-19T17:04:00.000-07:00

10:15 again,<BR/>Martie,<BR/>I keep extremely active in my community. I have NO time or interest in serving as a politician.<BR/><BR/>I vote at every and any election.<BR/><BR/>I am "in" there and am figuring it out.<BR/><BR/>Your politico speak (rambling posts), continues to show your dis-connect with us.<BR/><BR/>Identifying my comment as a complaint is only ONE way to see it. I MEANT for

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-88078174185837096952008-06-19T15:33:00.000-07:002008-06-19T15:33:00.000-07:00

Thanks for checking on that Martie.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully you can comment under the new City Center blog... but I'm wondering if the commission or council knows about the marketing for that project? Was the senior care facility use on your radar?

dinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-1698784230268787082008-06-19T15:26:00.000-07:002008-06-19T15:26:00.000-07:00

What I'm saying is that it has been hard to get citizen participation except for the high profile or hot topics, when in fact that participation needs to happen in the beginning, when plans and standards are adopted that affect the decisions further down the line. We worked two years on the sign ordinance; the Downtown Specific Plan also took years; the SpringLake Specific Plan took nearly 10

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-8884774572559349292008-06-19T13:29:00.000-07:002008-06-19T13:29:00.000-07:00

If Martie thinks that a project like City Lofts is going to be built because its vacant, she is mistaken. Its a fraud of a project and in this long string, its being referred to as the type of a development that all development must occur before any others are considered on the edge of town. Don't think for a moment that this logic won't be used by the Downers (yes I spelled that right) and the

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-12098238515094288372008-06-19T10:15:00.000-07:002008-06-19T10:15:00.000-07:00

Martie said:<BR/><BR/>"All of the places I have served - Planning Commission, City Council - we have bemoaned the fact that most of the time we work in a vacuum. People only seem to show up when it's controversial - when they need to be there for the more mundane stuff like the General Plan development, or the sign ordinance, or the downtown specific plan."<BR/><BR/>Wrong, wrong, wrong...<BR/><BR

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-21348361886675347362008-06-19T10:02:00.000-07:002008-06-19T10:02:00.000-07:00

P.S. There is at least two of us that read this blog. Don't know about the other three.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-44129436305252256742008-06-19T10:00:00.000-07:002008-06-19T10:00:00.000-07:00

5:52pm and those defenders of JM:) <BR/><BR/>I did not get an opportunity to vote on Rite Aid (no say either way). It was not appealed to the council, so I am kind of at a loss with your line of thought.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-5285819303601125872008-06-18T22:49:00.000-07:002008-06-18T22:49:00.000-07:00

Hi Chris- you're right, even on a deeper level. This government isn't mine, or any other council member's, or planning commissioner's- it belong to the people who have posted here, and all the ones who haven't. I'm just a representative, but if they don't participate in the forums where the decisions are made, they are abrogating their rights. All of the places I have served - Planning Commission

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-70770789733910763342008-06-18T21:54:00.000-07:002008-06-18T21:54:00.000-07:00

Anon 3:21<BR/>You are missing the point here. Development for "Development's sake" is not good development. Does it generate tax base? yeah..does it bring jobs into Woodland? Sure...But does it fit a 'good sustainable building model'? No. Not in any way. If you don't believe it to be a "bad model" to sprawl, just go to metro SF (outside the main city), Sacto, or LA. All of these communities grew

Chris Holthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-29727064734374801502008-06-18T21:02:00.000-07:002008-06-18T21:02:00.000-07:00

Hi 3:21 - they are different kinds of projects and not analogous at all. Best Buy is in a highway commercial center with big box anchors - Lofts is an in-fill re-use project in the historical downtown district, including residential, work/live and commercial. Don't confuse it with the signage and design issues that surfaced as part of Best Buy - the two are not related. The lofts project is not

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-2989295367829142962008-06-18T15:21:00.000-07:002008-06-18T15:21:00.000-07:00

For all those that are so enamoured with the City Lofts idea and are convinced its feasible and that the developer is going to build it and that our future planning and approvals should be based on this model, think again. The following was sent to me today unsolicited via an email blast: <BR/><BR/>Dear Client,<BR/><BR/>Please find the attached marketing package in regard to an infill property in

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-32752918665040848422008-06-18T12:14:00.000-07:002008-06-18T12:14:00.000-07:00

11:20<BR/><BR/>Yes, it's a lot different. Considering the District of Columbia has about 9,000 people per sq. mile (D.C. is just over 60 sq. miles). Your "shoot-from-the-hip figures have the Washington Metro Area at 1.25 million people per sq. mile. Does that make sense?<BR/><BR/>The point is that the Credibility Expert tried to have his cake and eat it too. He can't ask for one example, then

dinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-49848992779290768102008-06-18T11:20:00.000-07:002008-06-18T11:20:00.000-07:00

Hey Dino, I don't want to get on your bad side, but don't you think 2.5 million people in 25 miles is different than 2.5 million people in 2 miles? If not, we would have half a dozen or more 25 story high rise office buildings downtown instead of millions of square feet of flat industrial buildings based on your logic. All we have is the Wiseman building that received a ton of public money in

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-53930824003543844072008-06-18T11:17:00.000-07:002008-06-18T11:17:00.000-07:00

dino said...<BR/><BR/>Martie,<BR/><BR/>Re: City Center Loft (off the topic, but while your attention here), has city staff ever defined what "abandonment of Dead Cat Alley" actually means? Considering the plans by the builder to beautify and use the alley, most can surmise abandonment is an entitlement term - however - it's been two years and staff still hasn't provided an answer. They couldn't

dinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-20715044676862826362008-06-18T11:13:00.000-07:002008-06-18T11:13:00.000-07:00

Still not an answer Martie.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-27662101952112794652008-06-18T11:02:00.000-07:002008-06-18T11:02:00.000-07:00

Hi 10:06 - You never clarified which budget cuts - city, county, state? I didn't think the city was doing layoffs. Also, I answered in post 6/17 1:05. Please re-read. <BR/>Re: election and campaign support, of course Paul can support anyone he likes, it happens all over the region, I'm only trying to put the Bee article into perspective. I didn't call the reporter, he called me, and I doubt city

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-48482656076588657712008-06-18T10:40:00.000-07:002008-06-18T10:40:00.000-07:00

Anon 10:06<BR/>I don't mean to speak for Martie (as I cannot possibly know what her answer is) but from my point of view:<BR/><BR/>If said 160 ac was developed in a RESPONSIBLE manner, (as I have described in many posts above) and if there were NO OTHER suitable infill sites available. When I say this, I mean NO OTHER, not just "economically less desirable". Read my post about Greenfield

Chris Holthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-69115553240040761592008-06-18T10:07:00.000-07:002008-06-18T10:07:00.000-07:00

In her last post, Dote again proves she is biased with anything Petrovich does including his right to support a candidate other than her. I see on the web site he donated $750 to Seiferman. Others gave more to him including several important businessmen in our community. Does she have a problem with everybody else that supported him or just Petrovich? She should recuse herself with this bias so

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-57374503936215822882008-06-18T10:06:00.000-07:002008-06-18T10:06:00.000-07:00

Martie still has not answered the question on the 160 acres she referred to. She has answered every other question and offered her opinion on everything else and then some. As a single mother who lost her job due to budget cuts, I and am deeply concerned about our city's economic future. I guess we know her answer. It's no and perhaps never in a million years not even if all the other stuff is

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-19394758973764683382008-06-18T08:25:00.000-07:002008-06-18T08:25:00.000-07:00

dino:<BR/>Correction, I meant your 5:55pm post.<BR/><BR/>Martie:<BR/>I wish I could make it down to the Planning Commission meeting this week. I am very interested in the City Center Loft project as well as any development that is going to be happening in the city. Unfortunately I have something planned this thursday. Maybe next time.

Chris Holthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38881345.post-83605844588600759812008-06-18T07:49:00.000-07:002008-06-18T07:49:00.000-07:00

Chris,<BR/><BR/>I have a low tolerance for trolls. <BR/><BR/>http://www.flayme.com/troll/

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