Murder in Woodland, suspect on the run
From the City of Woodland, Police Department:
Detectives from the Woodland Police Department are searching for murder suspect Marcelino Moises Michel Jr., who is described as a 28 year-old, 5' 7" and 175 lb. Hispanic male, with brown eyes, black hair and possibly a goatee. Michel was last seen leaving the Crossroads Village Apartments at 555 Matmor Road on July 26, 2009 at approximately 12:36 am. Michel is believed to be driving a blue in color Cadillac sedan, (no further vehicle information available) and is wanted for the shooting death of the 17 year-old male victim.
Read more at the Woodland Record.
Click here to view the CBS13 report of the shooting that took place at "Triple Nickle," the gangster nickname for the Crossroads Village Apartments at 555 Matmor Road.
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23 comments:
He is probably not a gang member.
Wow - it's 9:10 am and the Daily Disappointment isn't running this story on-line yet.
How did the Journal get all these facts plus a mug shot of the guy?
(who is so obviously not a gangbanger that it must be a mistake on the part of law enforcement to suspect him).
Cutthroat no tiene gang.
Definitely not a gang member. Probably a doctor or lawyer.
Top of his class at Stanford.
Racists. Racists. All of you are racists.
It is a perfectly normal thing to get the word "cutthroat" inked across the front of your neck.
Culturally it is a sign of respect -- and needs to be honored.
Rev. Jesse Jackson
So where are all of the people who think it is unfair for police to check out gang members, people who hang out with them, and wanabees?
Where is the outrage for the police not detering this guy before he shot someone? That's right they would have had to stop him, and that would have been profiling. Then if he did something stupid and got shot by the police it would have been murder by cop.
We can't have that!
Let's hear it for all of those people that want to protect the dirt bags.
Come on people, I am sure the shooter was a poor farm worker who had a perfect excuse for killing the other farm worker.
Interesting....... initials are MM for mexican mafia or sureno. Color of car is blue for sureno. Woulnd't have known that but I saw it in the woodland record. Not sure he is a sureno but its just interesting.
There needs to be a better way to get information from those responding to incidents to those disseminating information. I found this comment at the DD Web site:
The gang activity is not only in Woodland but also in our small community of Knights Landing and it's NEVER reported. On Saturday July 18th, there was a gang fight at the park in Knights Landing near the now closed Grafton School. The way I understand it is, the Gang Bangers from Woodland came up to fight with the Knights Landing group. A young man, or boy from Knights Landing was stabbed was air-flighted to UC Davis Medical Center, of course of the expense of us tax payers. Police from all over came, helicopters ,to break up the fight and NOT ONE WORD OF THIS WAS IN THE PAPER!! It's time to send these guys down the river in a body bag.
1:53 PM, you asked this: "Where is the outrage for the police not detering this guy before he shot someone?"
There is a big difference between a man just walking over a bridge and another who shoots and kills someone.
Remember (you might need this someday), Innocent until proven guilty.
We can't have the cops just running aroung shooting people because they look a certain way.
On the other hand, we have had to call the cops a number of times on neighbors we suspect to be doing illegal things. We have witnessed arrests without gunfire.
"Triple nickle" seems to have quite a reputation. What have local authorities done with the management at 555 Matmore? Why is this place such a magnet for trouble? That is MY question.
Dino, I too wonder why our two communities don't air our dirty laundry? Maybe property values?
Bottem line, I hope the cops get this guy and soon. He should FRY.
Why is there a mug shot of my banker on this site? Cut Throat is the best personal banker in Woodland. He'd never do this!
Some of the comments here encite a slight chuckle, until I start to actually think about what is really being said. I have been a resident of Woodland for 10+ years, and spent another 12+ years in Knight's Landing. It is just so sad to hear that 'gang banging' is all these people have to turn to. I cannot believe that there is nothing for them to look forward to, or that pitbulls, gang tattoos, and guns are the only things that "drive them"...why can't we as a modern society stem this systemic conversion of our youth to a hopeless existence of breaking the law and running from their responsibilities? Do we really need to go back to the old 'Wild West Posse' and send law enforcement out to bring our cities back into conformance with the law of the land?
Chris,
One major problem is nobody can control families. Some of the gangsters are generational. There is little hope for those youngsters because mommy or daddy teach them how to be gangsters. For the others, they are being recruited because something is missing in their family life. The shocker is that kids are being recruited by older kids in elementary school. By junior high it is too late. I suppose schools can help by creating awareness earlier but it will come down to how effective parents are.
City of Woodland, now do you see what happens when the youth have NO free or affordable family activities? In communities where there is plenty for youth to participate in, there is lower gang activity. There is nothing for our kids here. No jobs, no community based sports, no art or entertainment organizations.
You must come from affluence and your family must be independently wealthy in order to belong to the few costly sports leagues. We now have a community center, but no one can afford the programs being offered out there. What good is that?
Our children can not wait to leave Woodland. Anyone remember the affluent kid that recently used his excellent baseball talent to get him to the major leagues? Well my friends, Dustin is NOT the problem. Gangsters are NOT the problem. High unemployment is NOT the problem.
Neighborhood watches, clean and safe parks for free sports activities, and free family entertainment venues ARE the answers. It takes a village to raise a kid.
We can not and should not be giving MORE power to police. They are to protect and to serve the public. They are not judges, juries, or executioners.
When we clean up our own act, then we attract new families who want to move here and buy our houses. New businesses move in to support the influx of new people. We also bring in a new pool of people to run for local office. I am sure tired of the same ole, same ole!
Who else is ready to open new doors and accept new mind sets for Woodland to get better? Who else is up for the challenge? These gangsters gotta go!
Let me get this straight... are you blaming the city for this murder?
The suspect's father spent time in jail. Blame the parents – not the city, not the schools, not the community. It's all based on family. You don't need to be rich to be moral.
Not "blame". Seems like you used that word, not me.
Chris wrote "It is just so sad to hear that 'gang banging' is all these people have to turn to. I cannot believe that there is nothing for them to look forward to, or that pitbulls, gang tattoos, and guns are the only things that "drive them"...why can't we as a modern society stem this systemic conversion of our youth to a hopeless existence of breaking the law and running from their responsibilities?
I felt compelled to expand on that thought with my comments.
This gangster issue we are discussing is definately a problem. We all agree on that. Soooo, what do we do to fix that problem?
Attaching blame does nothing to correct the problem. What solutions would YOU have?
What would YOU have done to instill your morals upon another parent?
How would you have these morals inforced?
Would you have teachers teaching children morals?
I believe that part of being a parent is to instill their own individual morals. They are different, as they should be, from person to person. I also believe that parents need to teach good manners, how and when it is appropriate to defend yourself, and other basic survival skills.
Many experts think that children start becoming their own person in the 5th grade. The age of knowing. Think of the show, "are you smarter than a fifth grader?"
So you have made a point that the parents need to do a better job raising their children. Young children grow up and become examples of their parents parenting.
The community naturally becomes the next, and ongoing learning ground.
So how do we do as a community? Are we fulfilling our obligation as a civilised community to our youth? I remember groups like Big Brothers, are they still around? How about volunteering mentors?
Just a few more ideas.
Where was the Catholic Church when this boy needed help? What were the priests doing? Eh? Passing the plate?
1:36
Yes. I did use the word "blame." I asked YOU if you were blaming the city for the murder since you wrote:
"City of Woodland, now do you see what happens when the youth have NO free or affordable family activities? In communities where there is plenty for youth to participate in, there is lower gang activity. There is nothing for our kids here. No jobs, no community based sports, no art or entertainment organizations."
And I disagree with you... attaching blame does a lot to correct a problem. That's called pinpointing a specific problem... opposite of sugar-coating an entire issue... which is what I'm sensing you are doing with comments surrounding the theme of "it takes a village."
That is fine and dandy as there are many factors that contribute to an individual's personality. But getting back to this particular murder, aside from the murderer - who is definitely to blame - I do blame the parents and the extended family. Now, society has to clean up the mess made by the murderer.
It's not up to me to teach parents how to parent. It's not up to me to "instill" or "enforce" my morals. That's crazy talk. You've taken a very simple question and turned it into a "save the world" speech.
Everybody needs to do the right thing. I learned that from my parents and my grandparents. I have taught my children that and they will teach my grandchildren that. My grandchildren will learn how to behave in school and treat others fairly because of my family. And they will learn that that should not shoot somebody even if they can't afford to do volleyball or swim team.
Hey Dino, I think you are misundertanding me. I think this guy should fry. It is too late to save him. He is DONE!
Society is cleaning up after this guy. That is horrible. What a waste of my tax dollars. I do not know his family. I do not know his extended family. I am not even sure what you mean by his extended family. Do you think his brothers and sisters are to blame? what about his cousins? How about all mexicans? The point is, this guy is a bad guy. He needs to be caught and punished.
You wrote: "And I disagree with you... attaching blame does a lot to correct a problem. That's called pinpointing a specific problem" Again, what "correction" does attaching blame do? You did not say. I agree with you that there is a problem with gangs here in Woodland. I offer suggestions to correct that problem. No sugar coating.
You also made this comment: "You don't need to be rich to be moral."
So again, you used the word moral not me. I asked who should be the ones to make sure these kids get a moral message BEFORE they join a gang? It's too late for this guy. I certainly don't want any more like him.
I did not write anything about saving the world. Too big of a task. But just maybe if people in a community can give good examples of how a society works well, together, we can make our own town safer, cleaner, and a place people are proud to be FROM.
You and I are very fortunate to come from families that teach right from wrong. That is just not the case for every citizen. What would you have done to the kids that are not in great homes?
I can see that you have no suggestions, nor do you want to take any responsibility for fixing this problem either. I offered a few suggestions. Chris was making a similar remark. If you don't want people to respond on this blog that's ok.
I think my comments offer some ideas for correction. I believe that it IS our entire community that is enabling and perpetuating this scurge. I put out a challenge for others to see what we can do as a group to work with this problem of too many gangsters in Woodland. I don't like it!
signed
Friend
dear friend: I think that you should bring back coraple punishment back to schools. that and eye for a eye means something or has a bite to it. there is no respect anymore because of these law suits and stupid infringment of rights
Friend,
Your inquisition into the sociological aspects of good and evil are understood. I don't have the answers. If I did, I wouldn't be administering this free local blog.
I was probing the weight you put on the city because you insinuated this murder is an example of what can happen as a result of the city not offering certain services. (Yes, those are my words.)
My comments related specifically to that and you still haven't answered them. You keep talking about offering solutions but if you read your own words you are offering mostly questions. Don't take me wrong... posing questions is fine for this blog, that's what it's for. Others can respond to your questions, too. I'm just trying to see why you would say, "City of Woodland, now do you see what happens when the youth have NO free or affordable family activities?"
These are the solutions I got from your three entries:
1) The city should offer more programs and change their ways (neighborhood watches, free programs, clean parks, new city council, attract better businesses), and,
2) Community groups might help - stated as questions (big brothers)
That's it. So, my original question to you relates to the emphasis you are putting on the city to solve this problem. I'm not the one jumping around.
By the way... do you realize you said "Gangsters are NOT the problem" and then you said "These gangsters gotta go!" and "This gangster issue we are discussing is definately a problem." and "I agree with you that there is a problem with gangs here in Woodland" and "I put out a challenge for others to see what we can do as a group to work with this problem of too many gangsters in Woodland."
Challenging others to come up with a solution is not really a solution.
And the funny thing is... I suggested there should be more information, better communication. (Please note that the Woodland Record included an informational story about gangs and the second part will be published in August. I guess those aren't solutions by your standards.) The rest of my comments have been to try and get you to explain why you think the city is at fault here.
That's all I'm trying to do here in response to your first comment. It does seem like we think about, and agree upon, the same kinds of things.
At least we can get rid of music in the schools and have the kids turn to my kind of music.
Yo Yo...
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